Jesus rebukes Satan and Casts out Demons throughout the New Testament but the Archangel Michael had to have God rebuke Satan in Jude 9.
Jesus wouldnt even let demons speak.
(NWT) Jude 9 But when Mi´cha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.”
(NWT) Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
At Matt. 4:10, did Jesus tell Satan to worship him? No. After telling Satan to "go away," Jesus quoted Deut. 6:13, where it says: "Thou shalt fear Jehovah thy God; and him shalt thou serve, and shalt swear by his name." Was Jesus Jehovah, who is God? No. Before Jesus was born as a human, the angel told Mary that Jesus would be called "the Son of God." (Luke 1:35) In Jesus' own words, he said that the "true worshippers" would worship his Father "in spirit and truth." (John 4:23) Nowhere in that verse did Jesus tell his followers to worship him, that is, Jesus. Such a remark by Jesus made sense Because his Father is "the only true God." (John 17:3)
ReplyDelete@Carl, Sorry you have failed to prove why Jesus had the authority to rebuke Satan and the Archangel Michael had to invoke God.
ReplyDeleteis Jesus God, your (NWT) bible seems to say so.
Matthew 1:23 Echos Isiah 9:6 "He will be called MIGHTY GOD"
So is MIGHTY GOD the same as Jehovah God?
Let's look at scripture:
(NWT) Isiah 10:21 A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.
It would appear Jesus is God in your bible as well.
Jesus and Jehovah are both called Mighty God, but only Jehovah is called Almighty God. (Ex. 6:3; Ps. 91:1, 2)
ReplyDeleteApparently, you don't read your own creeds. According to the Catholic Athanasian Creed, God is three persons, not one. As it says: "We worship one God IN TRINITY." So, if Jesus is God, as you say, then, that means he is a one-person three-person deity.
Does the Bible say that Jesus is God, that is, Almighty God? No. At Isa. 9:6, it says, in part: "For to us a child is born, a son is given to us..." Obviously, this is speaking of Jesus. Of him, the verse says: "A son is given to us." Wouldn't you agree that a son has to have a father? Does God have a Father? No, since he is "from everlasting to everlasting." (Ps. 90:2) No one caused his existence. Can the same be said about Jesus? No. At John 6:57, he said: "I live BECAUSE of the Father." Since God is responsible fo giving Jesus life, that makes Jesus a true son of God, as Isa. 9:6 says of Jesus.
Even Jesus acknowledged that God himself was his Father. For instance, Jesus said to Mary shortly after his resurrection from the dead (God cannot die): "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." (John 20:17) So, was Jesus ascending to himself? No, he was ascending to the person who was his God and Father. In fact, as Jesus said, his God and Father was also Mary's God and Father, and by extension, the God and Father of his apostles, since Jesus' message was also for them.
The Bible writer Paul also was aware that Jesus had a God and Father over him. At Col. 1:3, he said: "We thank God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
The Bible writer Peter said: "Blessed be the God and Father of Jesus Christ..." (1 Pet. 1:3)
At Rev. 1:6, John said that Jesus "made us to be a kingdom, priests to HIS God and Father."
So, did Jesus think of himself as God? No. Did Paul think of Jesus as God? No. Did Peter think of Jesus as God? No. Did John think of Jesus as God? No. They all knew that Jesus' Father was also his God."
BTW, who is God to you? Is it the trinity? Is it Jesus? Or will you trust Jesus' words that his Father is the "only true God"?
One other thing, does Matt. 1:23 say that Jesus is God? No. It says that the name "Immanuel" MEANS, WHEN TRANSLATED, "[is] 'With Us is God.'" Do you think the angel would be so delusional as to tell Mary that Jesus was God, only to say right after that that "what is born will be called...God's Son"? (Luke 1:35) Not a chance.
ReplyDeleteFace it, it is you that cannot decide who God is. Your own Athanasaian Creed says that the "one God" is "a unity of three" persons (the trinity). So, if the angel said that Jesus was God, then, according to the AC, Jesus was the trinity all by himself. Does that make sense to you?
Again, scripture speaks for itself.
ReplyDeleteOnly God is our Savior (Isa 43:11)
Jesus is our Savior (Tit 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1)
God is our only Rock (Isa 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22)
Jesus is our Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Only God can forgive sins (Luke 5:21)
Jesus forgives sins (Luke 5:20)
God is our owner (Isa. 54:5)
Jesus is our only owner (Jude 4)
God is the horn of salvation (2 Sam 22:3)
Jesus is the horn of salvation (Luke 1:68-69)
Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1)
Paul is a slave of Jesus (Rom 1:1)
No man can slave for two masters (Mat 6:24)
God is the King of Israel (Isa 44:6)
Jesus is the King of Israel (Mat. 27:42, John 1:49)
God is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (Isa 8:14)
Jesus is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (1 Pet 2:8)
God was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Zech 11:12-13)
Jesus was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Mat 26:14-16)
To God, every knee will bow and tongue confess (Isa 45:22-23)
To Jesus, every knee will bow and tongue confess (Phil 2:10-11)
Have you noticed how you refuse to answer my questions about the above verses? Why is that? Is it because you know that you have no valid case? If not, please show how the above verses show that God is composed of three co-equal, co-eternal, co-almighty persons. I have already showed you that the Athanasian Creed is unscriptural. Will you still hold on to a doctrine that opposes the Bible at just about every turn?
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